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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptics own podcast

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episode number 525 for the 11th of the

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11th 18 of course 100 years ago since as

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they say the guns fell silent on the

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Western Front but coming up this week on

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the skeptics on podcast many things many

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things were going to kick off with the

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report from the paranormal and spiritual

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Expo held just last weekend here at KU

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Shula which is just outside of Sydney

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may not deny jumped into the sceptic

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zone 'mobile and traveled out there and

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I think you'll find this series of

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interviews very interesting now some of

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you may be familiar with the wonderful

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series by Michael Marshall called be

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reasonable where Marsh has on his show

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people who believe in this that or the

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other and his policy is to let them

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speak let them put their case and we

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with a more scientific and reasonable

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outlook we dare say can learn an awful

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lot well this is the attitude may not

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take so you'll hear people talking about

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things that in their minds are quite

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real UFOs and by that I mean obviously

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aliens coming to see us say hello things

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like the ghost-detecting equipment

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really does work has claimed and

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crystals have magical energies an

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insight into the mind of the believer

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coming up with main art at the top of

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the show following that it's my

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interview with Massimo Polidoro from

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Italy Massimo I've known Massimo for a

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long time he was many years ago an

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apprentice to James Randi and learning

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his craft of not only some magic but

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investigating the paranormal the

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supernatural and claims thereof I chat

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to Massimo about his latest video series

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youtube series stranger stories where

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each fortnight massimo will explain a

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psychic investigation or look at a new

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and interesting paranormal investigation

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link's as always in the show notes this

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week then to round off the show it's

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back to skeptic on held a couple of

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weeks ago here in Sydney Australia where

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main our chats to mal vicars now some

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months ago on the sceptic zone mal

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Vickers put out a call for help

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technical help help gathering

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information from the internet will now

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will report back to us about how

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successful that was we also have the

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final part of maynard's interviews with

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Yvette dawn from all the side baby now

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if it will be talking about William

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Shatner what a good idea always a good

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time to talk about William Shatner not

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getting sued and a possible new job and

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if that's not enough may not also talks

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to the wonderfully interesting

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astronomer Kirsten banks and the extra

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wonderful astronomer dr. Pamela gay and

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an extra big congratulations to Kirsten

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through this week's show stay tuned at

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the info some more announcements from me

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but for now for now it's time for me to

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overpowering just to your flavor

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that's some spooky tones there but right

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now I'm in the mmm it's a bit like you

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the ghost 'mobile what's the thing they

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past and people go what it's the who are

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of who's that today we'll be going to

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the paranormal that exhibition that

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Richard has the correct name what is the

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correct name of where we're going

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paranormal and spiritual expert Casula

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command on the far side of the world but

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we're going to where real people live

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perform but we're hoping to get that and

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blum when were you there last richard a

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year ago in fact here ago and the year

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the last time we picked up I picked up a

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little alien playing a guitar which

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might which my cat subsequently attacked

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but yes and you want to have a guess

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we're gonna try and try your psychic

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whole bunch of them at tables how many

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my psychic ability based on previous

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experience tells me about eight

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than that and there's always been a lot

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of ghost hunters around up to this point

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zooming down this motorway it's a nice

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day it's warm but yeah we're in the

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skeptic 'mobile which is cleverly

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disguised to look like an everyday car

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next time you hear us we will be in the

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Casilla Art Center it's certainly I've

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got a community garden going here that's

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a new one Richard I'm a scarecrow that's

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side here in having our first coffee and

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muffin of the day Richard my nose it's

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the usual mix of people about 75% women

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opera hello no upstairs from what I can

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that out later I'll have to investigate

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other about wanting a reading done so I

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information and they aren't they don't

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whole thing yeah I can understand that I

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there okay let's see how well Richard

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boards and they said that planchette is

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actually its own word it's not actually

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from anything this the only thing in the

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feather on it it's rather nice yes whoa

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gaming table but what do we got going on

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here sir oh yeah well from good guys

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bunch of games now what seems to be

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interesting to people today what are

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the most popular wine at the moment when

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the day and that seems to have yes

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now tell us where can we find you online

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if everyone know more about your game

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stuff yep ww good Gamescom that are you

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back slash Miranda have a good day here

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thank you thank you well I'm just

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looking at a whole bunch of figurines as

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being made masked and all sorts of

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things and this is a guy who made it who

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we got here

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they've run into grant companies from

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cast from dungeon effects the only one

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make I work in the film industry so I do

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a lot of prop

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and that transferred a lot of stuff I

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did for my business my class my company

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now you've got a lot of good stuff here

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what's the most popular thing what's the

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thing people always seem to ask you to

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make are zombies oh really and then

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because of the Walking Dead TV show and

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where can we see you online where can we

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see your stuff online in FX comm thank

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you very much have a good day you does

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look pretty well doesn't Richard it's

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marvelous it really there's a lot of

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time and effort been put into these

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masks and they're not masks they're

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busts yeah they're like realistic

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looking but that's is that a mask

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then both they're both that's amazing

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it's the real deal it is the real deal

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and there's even a clock with a sort of

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skull with a armour on it and you it's

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very good dr. Jekyll and mr. Hyde over

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here good stuff

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Expo here at Casula there's one thing

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you skeptics can't deny it smells good

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we've got lavender we've got yelling

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yelling we've got all those things it

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smells really nice here and that's one

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thing the skeptics can't match good

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smells look I find myself chatting to

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someone I spoke to a few years ago

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remember you're telling me about a

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really interesting light you saw going

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along a valley in the Blue Mountains is

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that correct yes yeah and you described

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as very spiritual I do remember that

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conversation was quite moving yes and

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what now what group you from the

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listeners at home this is the UFO and

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Paranormal Research Society Australia

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and we're based in Campbelltown

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and I would recommend that people head

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along to your website which is UFO and

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paranormal research well actually it's

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short and if you just type in UFO PRSA

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you'll get our home page and the reason

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you should go there is because you have

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lots of really interesting overseas

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guests and local guests from time to

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time don't you that's correct we have

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national and international speakers

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telling us about their research we meet

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once a month second Wednesday of each

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month at the Campbeltown

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our

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can you tell us who's coming up in the

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coming months that people might have

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heard of that are coming along well in

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two weeks time on the 14th of November

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we have Rex Gilroy as a speaker Rex is

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equipped zoologist ufologist and author

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and he's launching his new book called

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UFO dreaming oh yes because he has a bit

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of a theory that there's some sort of

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base around where the Yowies are or

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something's that his idea that's correct

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yeah okay and have you booked the the

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room for to go late because he really

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doesn't like to stop talking you could

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be there for quite some time that's Rex

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go Roy and tell me have you had any good

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sighting since I spoke to you about a

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year or two ago yeah I know you often

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watch the skies and watch the valleys is

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use anything interesting that is

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difficult to explain yeah there is

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actually for all your listeners who are

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local and there's an area in Port Kembla

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called Hill 60 and it's a lookout it

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looks out over the ocean and very

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recently a month or so ago there was a

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sighting there of a multiple sighting

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there were six witnesses to and what

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they described as a Batmobile type

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object it was jet in the water or in the

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sky where was it it actually came up

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from the water area we can't say exactly

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out of the water because they couldn't

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see over the side but it hovered in

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front of them for a couple of seconds

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red light pulsating underneath and then

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it swooped back to where it came from

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and this particular area the hill is

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riddled with tunnels and we put the EMI

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meter the electromagnetic interference

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meter all over the hill and these

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tunnels are supposed to be empty

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but there was

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heaps and heaps of spikes

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electromagnetic interference

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and there's not supposed to be anything

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electrical in the area I'm glad you

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mentioned this what do you think would

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with the ghost people they have their

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spirit boxes and they have various

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things that measure electronic what is

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there anything that's actually the most

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useful thing when you're looking for

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lights in the sky and vehicles that is

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there a technical object you can take

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with you well we have scanner which

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tells us when there are aircraft

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airplanes in the area which is very

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handy we have a laser pointer of course

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we don't point them at aircraft this is

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to point out whether there any

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meteorites or satellites passing of

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course binoculars infrared cameras that

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can see in the dark

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I listen to a lot of UFO podcasts and

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lots of things all over the place

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conspiracist one of them the high side

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chat there's another one and I seem to

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notice lately there's been a lot more

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contact D people talking about things

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that that there seems to be a bit of a

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resurgence of the George Adamski

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contactee thing going on and I'm

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mistaken or do you think I think there's

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an awakening going on a lot of these

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contacts speak about being here for a

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purpose something that's going to happen

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on earth and they're here to help um do

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prescribe to the ultra terrestrial

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theory is that something you would go

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with on earth I describe that to me o

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deter s riyals I'm given to believe is

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beings that aren't from somewhere else

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they're just they've been here all the

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time we just haven't bumped into them

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very often yes definitely

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and we know that they've been here

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thousands of years there's lots of

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archaeological evidence of that all over

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the world and especially in Australia as

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Rex killed Roy and Stephen and Evan

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strong know that the Out of Africa like

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the origins is not out of Africa but out

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of Australia the Australian Aborigines

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are the first original humans and just a

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little of a hint for people out there

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that might be thinking of getting into

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watching the sky when is the best time

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to watch the sky for looking for unusual

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phenomenon and how should you do it how

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should you go about it the dark the moon

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definitely no full moon no full moon

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no the dark of the Moon and of course

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outside of the city where there's no

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night lights somewhere rural and some

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some of the skies in the rural areas

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absolutely beautiful you can look

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through five layers of stars in the sky

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because if you don't say anything you

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can just do some basic amateur astronomy

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and enjoy yourself you can see all the

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meteorites falling stars satellites yeah

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thank you very much for your time I say

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there's some people lining up here and

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it's great to chat you once again what's

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the website where people can find out

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what you guys get up to it's WWWF a

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society dotnet dot a you or just type in

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UFO PRSA right it's love as you talk to

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you again but why thank you I might

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actually go look gone I think I've come

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to the right place here can I ask you

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about crystals is that your speciality

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at all or not yes I do know a little bit

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about crystals I know a little bit about

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everything

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I'm just running for the novice what's

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the best general-purpose crystal to get

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for just clear quartz and why is that

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because clear quartz can really become

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anything else

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it's an attractor it actually radiates

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out energy do you know that they

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actually use clear quartz in watches a

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there you go also use it in fuel

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injection systems I think - yes and

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there was a very well-known racecar

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driver whose deport yes crystal in his

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engines around on his engine yeah make

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it work better well that's kind of

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interesting so what is the one you

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shouldn't get as a starter or what's a

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bit of what's a bit of it what's a bit

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whatever you pick the right one and

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where can we find you online for what

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standby reporter Richard Saunders here

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there always impresses upon me whenever

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I come to a mind body wallet or a

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spiritual Expo or a paranormal Expo

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whatever they call them that's all right

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it and you drift past the tables and you

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see the people doing their things giving

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readings or selling their products or

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talking to people I'm reminded again of

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how sincere a lot of these people are

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and how useless it is really to bang on

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about how stupid these people are or

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they're fooling themselves or they all

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con artists or there it's just the wrong

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it's just the wrong attitude it gets us

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nowhere

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a lot of these people for whatever

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reasons are sincere and probably very

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honest people it look and look rigid

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honestly love them have more fun than

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you - to be honest - really let's be

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honest this I'm surprised that you

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didn't pipe up there Richard when she

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mentioned the the Peter Brock engine

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Krystal what was why why would a good

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hello how are you can we have a chat for

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a moment I don't want to take away for

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himself with the the Oz heretic table

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here and I've got to say there's a lot

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of good stuff here and I thought ask

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straight away what's the rolls-royce of

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ghost-detecting devices at the moment in

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2018 what's the one that's kind of new

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and is kind of kicking the goals that is

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kind of new issue

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okay the newest bit of gear we've got is

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the sbox which is a radio wave scanner

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but you can record this as you're

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investigating and review immediately to

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see if you've caught anything right so

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that's that's an improvement upon the

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original spirit box there and it because

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you can actually play it back later is

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that the advantage of it yeah that's

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what it does and so if you're on a line

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of questioning and you get something

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that's

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getting intelligent responses then you

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can go back listen and think oh I'm on a

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good line here I'll keep up with this

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questioning asset we get what do people

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seem to be interested in asking you

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about this time around well there's a

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lot of questions about all the different

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types of technology we're getting a lot

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of interest in there EMF meter's because

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there are so many different levels you

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can get a basic one mid-range and then

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you go for the deluxe which is the mill

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melt the mill meters and is EVP

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electronic voice phenomenons still as

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big as it was some people have to use it

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common sense though I'm very important

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to mark anything you hear at the time

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because when you go back and you play it

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and you forget that somebody in the

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corner may have just farted going to

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burn and where can we see your stuff

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online and have a look at what your

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wares are and what you do with the gear

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you can find this at AHS parity comm and

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also on Facebook and it was

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recommendation for somewhere to go

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looking for ghosts well what's your

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favorite place to go looking for a bit

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of a EVP etc my favorite place is

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probably cue station followed by

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Maitland jail they're two of my

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favorites yeah it's a great spot that's

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where I first saw my first full

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apparition that I have no explanation

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for I opened the jail I closed the jail

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that night that person was not on our

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tour and could you describe what it

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looked like absolutely because they're

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only walking about 15 meters in front of

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me I thought it was a guest that had got

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lost and they had a black leather jacket

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on khaki pants balding patch on their

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head with a bit of a rat's tail down the

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back and I was about to yell out to them

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you need a torch it's too dangerous

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turned around to make sure people

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following me turned back and he was gone

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and I checked all the cells nearby well

543
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:50,440
okay so how did a seasoned person like

544
00:23:55,980 --> 00:23:52,570
yourself react to that I got very

545
00:23:58,019 --> 00:23:55,990
excited I would have pooped myself

546
00:23:58,919 --> 00:23:58,029
personally but if someone like you that

547
00:24:00,570 --> 00:23:58,929
that's what you're there for

548
00:24:02,399 --> 00:24:00,580
no no that's what I'm there for that's

549
00:24:04,830 --> 00:24:02,409
sort of the holy grail of it all I'm

550
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:04,840
very skeptic person myself and for me to

551
00:24:08,290 --> 00:24:06,290
see that with my own eyes

552
00:24:10,150 --> 00:24:08,300
know that that person was not within the

553
00:24:13,540 --> 00:24:10,160
walls let's see very good at scaling

554
00:24:15,550 --> 00:24:13,550
them yeah know that did my head in for a

555
00:24:16,930 --> 00:24:15,560
bit well I hope nothing like that

556
00:24:19,410 --> 00:24:16,940
happens today and it's great talking to

557
00:24:21,700 --> 00:24:19,420
you again nice to talk to you too oh

558
00:24:23,860 --> 00:24:21,710
well look we're here looking at a lot of

559
00:24:26,110 --> 00:24:23,870
equipment we've got cameras of course

560
00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:26,120
we've got the Haunted bear here could

561
00:24:31,270 --> 00:24:27,710
just explain what the Haunted bears all

562
00:24:34,990 --> 00:24:31,280
about so everybody was kind of designed

563
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:35,000
as a sole investigator so you could put

564
00:24:38,650 --> 00:24:36,290
him in a room and he would do the

565
00:24:41,380 --> 00:24:38,660
investigating for you so he's armed

566
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:41,390
absolutely riddled with senses so to

567
00:24:47,410 --> 00:24:43,970
pick up any temperature fluctuations

568
00:24:49,150 --> 00:24:47,420
he also records and so if anyone's

569
00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:49,160
speaking or anything he's going to

570
00:24:54,100 --> 00:24:51,230
capture that and he'll also ask

571
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:54,110
questions so the creator of this bear

572
00:24:59,050 --> 00:24:55,850
actually got his little daughter to do

573
00:25:01,000 --> 00:24:59,060
the voice for it and it will also let

574
00:25:02,740 --> 00:25:01,010
you know if the temperature goes up or

575
00:25:05,860 --> 00:25:02,750
down so he will say a little something

576
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:05,870
like oh it's getting cold in here that

577
00:25:08,740 --> 00:25:06,770
would kind of freak me out

578
00:25:09,970 --> 00:25:08,750
IIIi don't know I don't think I could

579
00:25:12,010 --> 00:25:09,980
handle it you have to have a tough kid

580
00:25:14,790 --> 00:25:12,020
to have this arrogant really really do

581
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:14,800
but we also hope it's kind of like

582
00:25:19,270 --> 00:25:17,600
attractive to the younger spirits if

583
00:25:22,330 --> 00:25:19,280
they're around like we've got a little

584
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:22,340
girl here apparently she likes to be up

585
00:25:26,650 --> 00:25:23,690
on the corridor where we're doing our

586
00:25:29,650 --> 00:25:26,660
psychic readings up there too

587
00:25:32,140 --> 00:25:29,660
it's disgustingly hot down here and

588
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:32,150
where can we see you on our website at

589
00:25:37,330 --> 00:25:34,730
happy ghost hunts calm you can always

590
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:37,340
email us at info at Rp ghost hunts calm

591
00:25:40,210 --> 00:25:39,410
and we're also on Facebook Twitter and

592
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:40,220
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593
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:43,130
thank you very much have a good day it's

594
00:25:47,260 --> 00:25:44,690
a spooky looking bear isn't it sort of

595
00:25:49,450 --> 00:25:47,270
been oh yeah spooky Barrett I've had not

596
00:25:51,430 --> 00:25:49,460
a distance it's a stronger kid that than

597
00:25:52,450 --> 00:25:51,440
Meade would have to handle a cursor if I

598
00:25:54,550 --> 00:25:52,460
had a bear that was telling me it's

599
00:25:56,890 --> 00:25:54,560
getting cold I just I just knew how so I

600
00:25:58,060 --> 00:25:56,900
would move out but what do you been up

601
00:25:59,440 --> 00:25:58,070
to oh because who we got here

602
00:26:01,240 --> 00:25:59,450
I mean you've got Biff Darlington from

603
00:26:04,150 --> 00:26:01,250
access paranormal yeah and of course you

604
00:26:05,860 --> 00:26:04,160
you at the skeptic on I was I was and I

605
00:26:07,180 --> 00:26:05,870
had a fabulous top now say you were the

606
00:26:09,820 --> 00:26:07,190
skeptics good because sometimes you know

607
00:26:11,730 --> 00:26:09,830
they can be a bit funny actually great

608
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:11,740
senses of humor yes of course

609
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:13,450
you can get Pingdom into a boring

610
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:16,330
conversation with a neckbeard I was

611
00:26:21,210 --> 00:26:19,360
avoiding that what do you reckon is the

612
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:21,220
highlight here today you've seen a lot

613
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:22,450
of this stuff before what is going on

614
00:26:27,299 --> 00:26:24,490
today in your mind I think there's quite

615
00:26:29,250 --> 00:26:27,309
a lot of jars with mini miniatures sort

616
00:26:31,169 --> 00:26:29,260
of tables and and spooky sort of like

617
00:26:33,030 --> 00:26:31,179
dollhouse type stuff I think that seems

618
00:26:35,630 --> 00:26:33,040
to be a thing this year it's quite a few

619
00:26:38,580 --> 00:26:35,640
tips tools of that kind of stuff on so

620
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:38,590
and if someone was wanting to see a

621
00:26:41,820 --> 00:26:40,720
psychic or medium how could you tell a

622
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:41,830
good one from a bad one

623
00:26:44,610 --> 00:26:43,809
how can you well that's the thing I

624
00:26:46,380 --> 00:26:44,620
think you have to do your research

625
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:46,390
before you turn up I would say yeah

626
00:26:49,230 --> 00:26:47,650
because I think there's about 14 up

627
00:26:51,540 --> 00:26:49,240
there and I'm going well they all look I

628
00:26:53,580 --> 00:26:51,550
think if they've got a name like Bevin

629
00:26:55,169 --> 00:26:53,590
or something like that they've got a bit

630
00:26:57,030 --> 00:26:55,179
of a spiritual name that's good but if

631
00:26:58,860 --> 00:26:57,040
their names Dave that's not a good thing

632
00:27:00,600 --> 00:26:58,870
it's like I'm going to have a reading

633
00:27:03,419 --> 00:27:00,610
with Dawn you know it doesn't quite have

634
00:27:05,940 --> 00:27:03,429
that magical feel does it no look have a

635
00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:05,950
good time here and I'm interested in I

636
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,470
had a great chat with the western suburb

637
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:10,480
UFO people that are down there oh yes I

638
00:27:13,230 --> 00:27:12,010
they come every year I think they are

639
00:27:15,210 --> 00:27:13,240
great and they've been talking about

640
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:15,220
some sightings that have been seen off

641
00:27:19,950 --> 00:27:17,890
the coast of Port Kembla at Hill 60

642
00:27:21,450 --> 00:27:19,960
looking out to sea so there's one for

643
00:27:23,820 --> 00:27:21,460
people at home true and also apparently

644
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:23,830
narrow beans a hot spot as well oh I do

645
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:26,890
why no idea no idea I ask them what is

646
00:27:31,710 --> 00:27:29,440
the main bit of tech gear you take for

647
00:27:33,690 --> 00:27:31,720
UFO spotting and they said a scanner

648
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:33,700
because you'll get civilian aircraft so

649
00:27:35,490 --> 00:27:35,170
if there's an aircraft you'll know about

650
00:27:37,140 --> 00:27:35,500
it

651
00:27:39,299 --> 00:27:37,150
there you go learn something new every

652
00:27:40,980 --> 00:27:39,309
day exactly well have a good time here

653
00:27:45,540 --> 00:27:40,990
and if you do see some Emily the Strange

654
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:45,550
pyjamas let me know know the disembodied

655
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:47,170
voice that's been telling everybody what

656
00:27:52,110 --> 00:27:48,880
to do where to go and just being all

657
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:52,120
spooky belongs to hates banks and how

658
00:27:55,780 --> 00:27:53,679
many years are you done this is our

659
00:27:57,940 --> 00:27:55,790
seventh year now

660
00:27:59,410 --> 00:27:57,950
and why is it change I noticed some

661
00:28:01,540 --> 00:27:59,420
years you have more ghost hunters than

662
00:28:04,210 --> 00:28:01,550
others and some users more psychics and

663
00:28:06,190 --> 00:28:04,220
others what seems to be the big to do in

664
00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:06,200
the paranormal world this year well it

665
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:08,000
just seems to be first in best Rest

666
00:28:10,150 --> 00:28:09,530
where we're getting more and more

667
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:10,160
popular

668
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:12,770
so whoever books their stores first gets

669
00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:15,410
yeah okay do any sort of paranormal bent

670
00:28:22,750 --> 00:28:20,750
this year more than others really it's

671
00:28:25,570 --> 00:28:22,760
pretty much the same we do have the UFO

672
00:28:27,820 --> 00:28:25,580
guys doing a top today we haven't had

673
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:27,830
them for quite a few years but we've got

674
00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:29,090
a few other interesting things like a

675
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:30,830
stage hypnotist I can't wait to see him

676
00:28:36,670 --> 00:28:34,970
cool yeah we have Florence King doing

677
00:28:38,290 --> 00:28:36,680
the platform readings this year and we

678
00:28:41,650 --> 00:28:38,300
have an embalmer which I'm really

679
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:41,660
excited about okay you want some consent

680
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:42,890
going on that wouldn't hear really well

681
00:28:49,030 --> 00:28:46,970
that's an 18 and over I'm liking the

682
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:49,040
sound of that already yeah so it's a

683
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:50,570
Dana life and embalmer everything you've

684
00:28:53,740 --> 00:28:51,890
ever wanted to know about the embalming

685
00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:53,750
process and she's an amazing woman she

686
00:28:58,300 --> 00:28:55,910
actually does the disaster so she went

687
00:29:01,150 --> 00:28:58,310
to the Bali disaster and all of those

688
00:29:02,950 --> 00:29:01,160
yeah she's she's incredible yeah what do

689
00:29:04,930 --> 00:29:02,960
you think of that beer that lights up

690
00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:04,940
and talks to you and there's a change in

691
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:06,320
temperature in the room that goes it's

692
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:08,450
getting colder if I was a kid that they

693
00:29:14,890 --> 00:29:11,120
would freak me out it's great give me a

694
00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:14,900
kiss Gary yeah it's the boob ear keep a

695
00:29:17,890 --> 00:29:16,310
knife probably bared the blue buddy the

696
00:29:19,690 --> 00:29:17,900
blue buddy the the theory with the blue

697
00:29:21,310 --> 00:29:19,700
buddy is that apparently it is an impair

698
00:29:22,540 --> 00:29:21,320
anomaly investigator on its own so

699
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:22,550
apparently if there's a change in

700
00:29:26,590 --> 00:29:24,650
temperature it will talk or if it feels

701
00:29:27,850 --> 00:29:26,600
that it's been touched it will do the

702
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,860
haha that tickles

703
00:29:32,620 --> 00:29:30,320
so I don't have all that much faith in

704
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:32,630
the blue buddy but you know people like

705
00:29:37,870 --> 00:29:35,090
that looks kind of cool yeah yeah okay

706
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:37,880
have a good time here thanks guys would

707
00:29:42,460 --> 00:29:41,090
you you you are very you know when the

708
00:29:44,050 --> 00:29:42,470
temperature goes up you shouldn't fall

709
00:29:44,990 --> 00:29:44,060
apart quite quickly how warm do you

710
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:45,000
think it is another

711
00:29:54,740 --> 00:29:50,370
well outside it must be in the 30 32 33

712
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:54,750
I guess inside it's probably 27 but in

713
00:29:58,909 --> 00:29:57,330
that other room it's a lovely agent the

714
00:30:01,610 --> 00:29:58,919
UFO room is the cool one and so you

715
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:01,620
should be it's all over for another year

716
00:30:08,060 --> 00:30:04,799
we're walking back to the car now yeah

717
00:30:10,610 --> 00:30:08,070
now you are you enjoy it today I did it

718
00:30:14,299 --> 00:30:10,620
seemed a little one or two things less

719
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:14,309
than normal but still a good a good

720
00:30:19,669 --> 00:30:16,890
sense and one thing I did notice today

721
00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:19,679
last time I was here two years ago there

722
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:21,720
was guys that seemed to be like I'm

723
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:23,970
willingly being dragged around by their

724
00:30:28,070 --> 00:30:25,890
girlfriend or wife and I didn't see much

725
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:28,080
of that today no you're right you're

726
00:30:32,210 --> 00:30:31,200
right yeah but it's it was a good crowd

727
00:30:33,860 --> 00:30:32,220
good crowd there and we're in the

728
00:30:35,810 --> 00:30:33,870
carpark now in this world there are

729
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:35,820
quite a lot of cars have 100 cars I

730
00:30:41,090 --> 00:30:38,159
don't yeah plenty people here and I'm

731
00:30:42,409 --> 00:30:41,100
really looking forward to because

732
00:30:44,090 --> 00:30:42,419
getting in that air conditioning in the

733
00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:44,100
car they're getting it wound up nice and

734
00:30:54,210 --> 00:30:44,700
high

735
00:30:59,020 --> 00:30:57,070
you know I gotta say Bigfoot's BS but

736
00:31:00,520 --> 00:30:59,030
the chupacabra is totally the result of

737
00:31:03,130 --> 00:31:00,530
top-secret government genetic

738
00:31:05,530 --> 00:31:03,140
experiments on a remote island taking

739
00:31:07,030 --> 00:31:05,540
medical advice from iguanas Paltrow like

740
00:31:09,490 --> 00:31:07,040
steaming your lady parts and putting

741
00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:09,500
Jade eggs all up in net is a great way

742
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:11,870
to improve your health police from

743
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:14,090
around the world regularly use psychics

744
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:16,730
to solve crimes they just don't talk

745
00:31:21,910 --> 00:31:19,370
about it spontaneous human combustion is

746
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:21,920
for sure a real thing I've read all

747
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:23,810
about it on the internet and I worry

748
00:31:28,930 --> 00:31:27,530
someday it's going to happen to me we

749
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:28,940
all have friends and family who believe

750
00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:31,370
these things and much more well if

751
00:31:35,050 --> 00:31:33,260
you're a rational thinker who is tired

752
00:31:36,970 --> 00:31:35,060
of arguing on social media and never

753
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:36,980
getting anywhere we have a solution for

754
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:37,490
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755
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join the guerrilla skepticism on

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00:31:46,510 --> 00:31:44,420
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758
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:46,520
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771
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776
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:40,499
and joining me now all the way from

777
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:41,609
Milan in Italy

778
00:32:48,069 --> 00:32:44,450
it's Massimo Polydor oh hello Massimo

779
00:32:53,449 --> 00:32:48,079
hello Richard hello should I say ciao

780
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:53,459
yes wait now you and I have known each

781
00:32:57,529 --> 00:32:55,529
other for many years but we only get to

782
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:57,539
see each other oh I don't know maybe

783
00:33:03,769 --> 00:33:00,559
once every 2 or 3 years if we're lucky

784
00:33:05,749 --> 00:33:03,779
yeah that's right usually at some great

785
00:33:08,899 --> 00:33:05,759
convention in the United States or maybe

786
00:33:11,810 --> 00:33:08,909
in Europe as well yeah it's strange

787
00:33:13,339 --> 00:33:11,820
because I mean I can't remember honestly

788
00:33:15,019 --> 00:33:13,349
I can't remember the first time I met

789
00:33:17,959 --> 00:33:15,029
you it could have been at the amazing

790
00:33:19,879 --> 00:33:17,969
meeting or something like that and just

791
00:33:22,819 --> 00:33:19,889
to give our audience a little bit of

792
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:22,829
background you have been involved in

793
00:33:32,060 --> 00:33:25,289
skepticism and magic now for many many

794
00:33:35,379 --> 00:33:32,070
years haven't you yes let's say yeah I

795
00:33:38,869 --> 00:33:35,389
was lucky enough to have Randi as my

796
00:33:41,180 --> 00:33:38,879
mentor when I was well 18 actually so I

797
00:33:43,009 --> 00:33:41,190
had a chance to go and in United States

798
00:33:45,889 --> 00:33:43,019
and study with him and learn from the

799
00:33:48,409 --> 00:33:45,899
master that's that's quite a privilege

800
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:48,419
of course and you must have some amazing

801
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:50,820
stories to tell from when you were

802
00:33:59,409 --> 00:33:55,679
alongside James Randi following

803
00:34:02,569 --> 00:33:59,419
everywhere investigating psychics and

804
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:02,579
charlatans of every kind yeah there's

805
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:05,849
quite a lot of stories there that this

806
00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:07,529
could be a whole new this should be a

807
00:34:13,309 --> 00:34:09,720
book actually following James Randi

808
00:34:16,339 --> 00:34:13,319
around I mean the times I've spent with

809
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:16,349
him have been wonderfully interesting

810
00:34:21,109 --> 00:34:19,049
experiences in themselves now the reason

811
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:21,119
I guess the main reason that I've

812
00:34:26,269 --> 00:34:24,480
contacted you for an interview and we

813
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:26,279
can talk about some of your adventures

814
00:34:32,180 --> 00:34:29,609
soon is that you've been on the internet

815
00:34:35,539 --> 00:34:32,190
now you've been on YouTube for a long

816
00:34:37,819 --> 00:34:35,549
time doing something called Massimo pala

817
00:34:41,240 --> 00:34:37,829
Doros mysteries but it's all been in

818
00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:41,250
Italian which is great which is fine

819
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:43,169
I'm sure everybody who speaks Italian

820
00:34:46,190 --> 00:34:44,850
and many thousands and millions of

821
00:34:49,369 --> 00:34:46,200
people in this country suddenly speak of

822
00:34:51,740 --> 00:34:49,379
time but for the rest of the world for

823
00:34:53,590 --> 00:34:51,750
the English speakers especially you've

824
00:34:56,810 --> 00:34:53,600
just started a new series called

825
00:35:00,980 --> 00:34:56,820
strangest stories can you tell me what

826
00:35:04,130 --> 00:35:00,990
what inspired you to do that oh yes well

827
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:04,140
this is something that I wanted to do

828
00:35:08,990 --> 00:35:07,170
for a long time and and finally I

829
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:09,000
started doing it in Italian because it

830
00:35:15,410 --> 00:35:13,050
was of course much easier to do and to

831
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:15,420
broadcast that foreign audience that

832
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:18,720
already knows me here in Italy and the

833
00:35:24,740 --> 00:35:21,770
idea was to present investigations of

834
00:35:28,370 --> 00:35:24,750
unusual claims or mysteries classical

835
00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:28,380
you know this monster the Shroud of

836
00:35:34,490 --> 00:35:31,380
Turin pyrrha me it's a time travel

837
00:35:37,510 --> 00:35:34,500
whatever from a sceptical point of view

838
00:35:42,260 --> 00:35:37,520
let's say with a scientific approach

839
00:35:47,420 --> 00:35:42,270
which is also should not be seen as

840
00:35:51,230 --> 00:35:47,430
something dry or or too serious because

841
00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:51,240
it is not it's done in in fun but still

842
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:54,660
with you know the the basis of the

843
00:36:00,500 --> 00:35:57,450
scientific method and but the fact is

844
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:00,510
that as you said Italians almost

845
00:36:11,090 --> 00:36:08,460
everywhere audience so and I decided it

846
00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:11,100
was time to present this information as

847
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:13,800
well in in English especially those that

848
00:36:20,420 --> 00:36:17,130
have been involved personally and and

849
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:20,430
share it with the community not only of

850
00:36:24,170 --> 00:36:22,740
skeptics but also curious people because

851
00:36:27,350 --> 00:36:24,180
there are so many people around there

852
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:27,360
out there that don't know about our work

853
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,690
and and YouTube now is the one of the

854
00:36:36,530 --> 00:36:32,880
probably the best medium to reach

855
00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:36,540
younger audiences so I thought that this

856
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:38,960
was worth working on it

857
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:43,170
absolutely and I I'll what I'll do now

858
00:36:47,090 --> 00:36:45,000
actually Massimo what I'll do now is

859
00:36:50,090 --> 00:36:47,100
I'll play a short clip yeah I'm the very

860
00:36:52,070 --> 00:36:50,100
first episode you've put up of stranger

861
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,080
stories now this beginning episode the

862
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:54,480
first episode involves James Randi so

863
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:54,890
here's the

864
00:37:01,000 --> 00:36:58,640
clip in 1974 a man was unexpectedly

865
00:37:03,130 --> 00:37:01,010
challenged on live television to guess

866
00:37:05,620 --> 00:37:03,140
the content of a sealed envelope and

867
00:37:08,529 --> 00:37:05,630
then banned a solid stainless steel

868
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:08,539
spoon incredibly he was able to do both

869
00:37:14,529 --> 00:37:11,569
his name no not your gala but James

870
00:37:16,809 --> 00:37:14,539
branded today at stranger stories we

871
00:37:19,870 --> 00:37:16,819
will see Randy perform that incredible

872
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:19,880
feat and then we'll learn how he did it

873
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:20,640
ready

874
00:37:28,850 --> 00:37:33,740
[Music]

875
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:36,330
welcome my name is Massimo Paula Dora

876
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,290
and for the most part of my life have

877
00:37:43,650 --> 00:37:40,480
been investigating phenomena that appear

878
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:43,660
to be strange and mysterious but often

879
00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:45,970
things are not what they seem

880
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:48,220
every two weeks we will investigate a

881
00:37:53,070 --> 00:37:50,290
new mystery that upon close examination

882
00:37:55,170 --> 00:37:53,080
may turn out to be somewhat different

883
00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:55,180
from what it appeared in the beginning

884
00:37:59,880 --> 00:37:57,280
if you are like me and you too want to

885
00:38:02,280 --> 00:37:59,890
learn how to discern fact from fiction I

886
00:38:04,860 --> 00:38:02,290
invite you to subscribe to my channel in

887
00:38:07,110 --> 00:38:04,870
order not to miss the next episodes so

888
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:07,120
click on the red button and the little

889
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:10,320
bell and then let's begin

890
00:38:14,370 --> 00:38:12,910
if that doesn't wait your appetite folks

891
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,380
I don't know what will now I have seen

892
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:16,960
that episode I've seen any episode

893
00:38:20,970 --> 00:38:18,880
Massimo and I'm not gonna give anything

894
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:20,980
away for the audience because I really

895
00:38:25,530 --> 00:38:22,810
want the audience to see this for

896
00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:25,540
themselves but what I can say is it it

897
00:38:31,470 --> 00:38:28,900
does somewhat show behind the curtains

898
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:31,480
of James Randi and does actually explain

899
00:38:37,470 --> 00:38:33,310
how he pulled off an absolutely

900
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:37,480
astonishing routine on television this

901
00:38:41,790 --> 00:38:40,000
is one of the the many adventures that

902
00:38:44,010 --> 00:38:41,800
brandy has and this is a really

903
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:44,020
fantastic wonder when I read about it

904
00:38:47,850 --> 00:38:46,570
the first time I really was a kid this

905
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:47,860
was the first thing that I asked him

906
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:50,290
when I met him finally because it's like

907
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,410
how could he do that it's impossible and

908
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:04,240
yet it did and in this in this first

909
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:08,170
video we we discover how Randy did this

910
00:39:15,420 --> 00:39:11,490
incredible feat and he tells him himself

911
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:15,430
yes he is happy to explain the mystery

912
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:17,890
behind what he did yes because you know

913
00:39:22,110 --> 00:39:20,170
it's it's always important to to share

914
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:22,120
this information is not claiming of

915
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:24,160
course any psychic powers but he wants

916
00:39:29,820 --> 00:39:26,560
to do to understand how these things

917
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:29,830
work they do not work by the book some

918
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:33,520
people think that fake psychics take

919
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:35,650
their tricks from magic books

920
00:39:40,410 --> 00:39:38,110
well sometimes maybe they do but more

921
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,420
often not they just in

922
00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:42,400
something on the spot and then it's

923
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:45,369
impossible to to trace it back to find

924
00:39:50,490 --> 00:39:47,920
how they did it so this is a very nice

925
00:39:53,069 --> 00:39:50,500
example I can tell the audience that

926
00:39:55,049 --> 00:39:53,079
when they watch it it doesn't both spoon

927
00:39:56,849 --> 00:39:55,059
bending which is a favorite of mine and

928
00:40:01,049 --> 00:39:56,859
I must have missed some oh that the

929
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:01,059
particular and I love to watch it and I

930
00:40:05,339 --> 00:40:03,130
must say Messimer the production quality

931
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:05,349
of the video quality in the audio and

932
00:40:10,289 --> 00:40:08,170
the music is really really good I do

933
00:40:13,259 --> 00:40:10,299
have a production company or how do you

934
00:40:14,819 --> 00:40:13,269
go about doing well well thank you thank

935
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:14,829
you sing a compliment the production

936
00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:17,710
company is made of one this is the one

937
00:40:22,890 --> 00:40:21,250
speaking now well I'm very impressed

938
00:40:25,559 --> 00:40:22,900
because I think it's it's very

939
00:40:27,269 --> 00:40:25,569
professional and I think you must have

940
00:40:29,789 --> 00:40:27,279
been in the studio with the director or

941
00:40:31,769 --> 00:40:29,799
something like that because it's and so

942
00:40:34,650 --> 00:40:31,779
well done indeed of congratulations

943
00:40:37,289 --> 00:40:34,660
because you may remember I make videos

944
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:37,299
myself so I can salutely certainly

945
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:39,930
appreciate a good technique and just

946
00:40:45,569 --> 00:40:43,210
before just before we go Massimo can you

947
00:40:48,690 --> 00:40:45,579
tell me a little bit about cheek up the

948
00:40:50,759 --> 00:40:48,700
Italian skeptic organization absolutely

949
00:40:54,690 --> 00:40:50,769
well Chicopee was born like almost 30

950
00:40:56,130 --> 00:40:54,700
years ago and it's the Italian committee

951
00:40:59,640 --> 00:40:56,140
for the investigation of claims on

952
00:41:02,160 --> 00:40:59,650
pseudoscience it was started by very

953
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:02,170
famous in here in Italy journalists

954
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,200
science journals Pierrot Angela and he

955
00:41:10,849 --> 00:41:07,119
was able to bring in a Nobel Prize

956
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:10,859
winners and famous people and famously

957
00:41:17,849 --> 00:41:14,319
scholars like Umberto Eco and and others

958
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:17,859
and and so it started 30 years ago and

959
00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:21,609
today Chicopee is well established we we

960
00:41:29,700 --> 00:41:25,750
have about 20 chapters in every region

961
00:41:32,819 --> 00:41:29,710
of Italy we have a national festival

962
00:41:37,259 --> 00:41:32,829
that draws this this year it drew twelve

963
00:41:39,059 --> 00:41:37,269
thousand people so we are very active

964
00:41:42,269 --> 00:41:39,069
and produce a lot of material or of

965
00:41:45,150 --> 00:41:42,279
information and we keep on do anything

966
00:41:48,029 --> 00:41:45,160
it's the good thing is that it's growing

967
00:41:49,980 --> 00:41:48,039
so it's it's always growing that's

968
00:41:51,690 --> 00:41:49,990
really great news folks I'll link to

969
00:41:54,180 --> 00:41:51,700
that organization in this week's show

970
00:41:56,580 --> 00:41:54,190
notes and I'll certainly link to stray

971
00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:56,590
changes stories the youtube series just

972
00:42:01,470 --> 00:41:59,290
started just started with a Massimo

973
00:42:03,890 --> 00:42:01,480
Polydor oh it's it doesn't go to long

974
00:42:06,660 --> 00:42:03,900
which is about 10 minutes or so Massimo

975
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:06,670
yeah well actually this Randy episode

976
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:09,610
it's about 20 at 19 minutes oh all right

977
00:42:15,590 --> 00:42:12,160
okay it was it was it was so engaging it

978
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:18,750
the Italian series it's about 10-15

979
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:21,280
minutes we'll need it needed a longer

980
00:42:27,540 --> 00:42:24,610
explanation but this is coming every two

981
00:42:31,710 --> 00:42:27,550
weeks so the next episode is is he here

982
00:42:34,020 --> 00:42:31,720
already and well I hope that the your

983
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,030
listeners liking I'm sure they will

984
00:42:38,130 --> 00:42:36,400
folks don't delay have a look at the

985
00:42:40,290 --> 00:42:38,140
first episode of stranger stories you'll

986
00:42:43,170 --> 00:42:40,300
love it you get the peek behind the

987
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:43,180
methodology of James Randi well Massimo

988
00:42:48,450 --> 00:42:46,090
Paulo Dora I hope I get to see you next

989
00:42:51,060 --> 00:42:48,460
year who knows where in some convention

990
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,070
looks yeah I should come I should come

991
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:53,520
to Italy actually I would really really

992
00:43:00,240 --> 00:42:57,490
love the same I should come to Australia

993
00:43:02,070 --> 00:43:00,250
I think I think we should try to arrange

994
00:43:07,470 --> 00:43:02,080
something here there's wonderful Italian

995
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:07,480
food in Sydney I promise you that on

996
00:43:12,990 --> 00:43:10,210
that happy story Massimo pottre doro

997
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:13,000
thank you very much thank you rich it

998
00:43:27,059 --> 00:43:14,450
was a pleasure

999
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:30,430
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1000
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:32,569
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1001
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1003
00:43:41,650 --> 00:43:39,710
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1004
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1005
00:43:45,970 --> 00:43:43,790
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1006
00:43:48,549 --> 00:43:45,980
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1007
00:43:50,650 --> 00:43:48,559
things Fletcher for example is a witty

1008
00:43:53,020 --> 00:43:50,660
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1009
00:43:54,730 --> 00:43:53,030
and longtime skeptical investigator we

1010
00:43:57,220 --> 00:43:54,740
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1011
00:43:59,470 --> 00:43:57,230
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1012
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1016
00:44:13,350 --> 00:44:17,490
[Music]

1017
00:44:25,500 --> 00:44:22,690
here's Maynard spooky action at the

1018
00:44:30,370 --> 00:44:28,030
now Richard just come up and grab me mal

1019
00:44:32,740 --> 00:44:30,380
I got mal Vickers here and you said that

1020
00:44:34,570 --> 00:44:32,750
a few while ago you asked the skipping

1021
00:44:36,220 --> 00:44:34,580
zone listeners to come to your aid what

1022
00:44:38,590 --> 00:44:36,230
was going on mal tell us a story here

1023
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:38,600
I've been doing some some research with

1024
00:44:42,910 --> 00:44:41,330
actually directed by Professor Ken

1025
00:44:46,420 --> 00:44:42,920
Harley or dr. Ken Harvey's more commonly

1026
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:46,430
known and I I needed some IT help it was

1027
00:44:50,650 --> 00:44:48,770
the research was kind of beyond me there

1028
00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:50,660
was some there's actually thousands of

1029
00:44:58,090 --> 00:44:54,440
documents on a government website called

1030
00:44:59,530 --> 00:44:58,100
the complaints resolution panel and you

1031
00:45:02,200 --> 00:44:59,540
know they're kind of the documents were

1032
00:45:04,990 --> 00:45:02,210
tucked away they're PDFs and I needed to

1033
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:05,000
look at these overall and do overall

1034
00:45:11,020 --> 00:45:07,250
searches on it so I needed to basically

1035
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:11,030
describe the websites and automation

1036
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:13,490
software to do all this specific thing

1037
00:45:16,930 --> 00:45:15,170
for yeah and and what's more the

1038
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:16,940
complaints resolution panels was going

1039
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:20,240
to be abolished so we needed to get the

1040
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:21,770
information quickly and there are no

1041
00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:23,210
assurances that all the information

1042
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:25,190
wouldn't just disappear overnight when

1043
00:45:30,460 --> 00:45:28,010
when the panel was abolished so so yeah

1044
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:30,470
ten of the most amazing IT guys came

1045
00:45:34,780 --> 00:45:33,290
forward and I only wanted one actually

1046
00:45:36,340 --> 00:45:34,790
it was looking for one panel just

1047
00:45:37,830 --> 00:45:36,350
through the Skip pick zone was it just

1048
00:45:41,590 --> 00:45:37,840
just for the sketti so and listenership

1049
00:45:43,390 --> 00:45:41,600
and actually I got such a big response I

1050
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:43,400
had to put these guys together on an

1051
00:45:47,020 --> 00:45:45,410
email list to try and yeah so I could

1052
00:45:48,670 --> 00:45:47,030
tell them all yeah you know this is what

1053
00:45:52,540 --> 00:45:48,680
the projects about this is this is what

1054
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:52,550
I need done and it was great they from

1055
00:45:57,340 --> 00:45:55,010
all over Australia mostly one guy in

1056
00:45:59,230 --> 00:45:57,350
Ireland came for and said yeah we can we

1057
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:59,240
can scrape this website for you and as

1058
00:46:03,010 --> 00:46:00,800
the Americans might have said this was

1059
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:03,020
dudes named Ben from all over the world

1060
00:46:06,610 --> 00:46:04,490
turned up there because I bet there's as

1061
00:46:08,380 --> 00:46:06,620
if some famous congressman and said oh

1062
00:46:10,780 --> 00:46:08,390
there's some dude named Ben who looks

1063
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:10,790
after my emails and so now whenever IT

1064
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,650
guy comes up I think I dude named Ben

1065
00:46:16,570 --> 00:46:14,480
there could be dudettes named Ben as

1066
00:46:18,190 --> 00:46:16,580
well and so how long did they take to do

1067
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:18,200
it because time was of the essence time

1068
00:46:22,540 --> 00:46:20,210
was it so the all of these documents

1069
00:46:25,330 --> 00:46:22,550
were grabbed and copied almost

1070
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:25,340
immediately by several of them actually

1071
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,160
and a guy in particular Dylan Lewis

1072
00:46:34,270 --> 00:46:32,480
duplicated all these documents and put

1073
00:46:37,330 --> 00:46:34,280
the monies on his own website first so

1074
00:46:37,660 --> 00:46:37,340
they're all safe they were you know out

1075
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:37,670
of

1076
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:40,010
then the the health department's hands

1077
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:42,650
they were you know in a safe place where

1078
00:46:48,009 --> 00:46:45,170
I could I could get the copies of them

1079
00:46:49,660 --> 00:46:48,019
if you like and then yeah sorry then

1080
00:46:52,059 --> 00:46:49,670
that then the real work started and they

1081
00:46:53,380 --> 00:46:52,069
actually grabbed all the information out

1082
00:46:56,019 --> 00:46:53,390
of these documents and put it in

1083
00:46:57,910 --> 00:46:56,029
searchable form actually in an enormous

1084
00:46:59,500 --> 00:46:57,920
spreadsheet actually so I could do my

1085
00:47:01,390 --> 00:46:59,510
analysis work which is still going on

1086
00:47:03,099 --> 00:47:01,400
but it's generating great results and

1087
00:47:04,930 --> 00:47:03,109
name some names for thanks or they wish

1088
00:47:05,470 --> 00:47:04,940
to me remain anonymous they'd be like

1089
00:47:07,180 --> 00:47:05,480
good though

1090
00:47:09,539 --> 00:47:07,190
The Lone Ranger they've got that masked

1091
00:47:12,730 --> 00:47:09,549
on their writing Elena's instance I

1092
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:12,740
Dylan Dylan Lewis and Matthew Bishop are

1093
00:47:19,660 --> 00:47:15,440
the two main ones who did Matthew there

1094
00:47:22,089 --> 00:47:19,670
you go really really helped both Ken and

1095
00:47:25,779 --> 00:47:22,099
I and you have really valuable

1096
00:47:28,509 --> 00:47:25,789
information so these are complaints

1097
00:47:30,339 --> 00:47:28,519
about products or about doctors and

1098
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,349
doctors behavior or what are the health

1099
00:47:33,849 --> 00:47:32,480
complaints specifically about yeah

1100
00:47:36,130 --> 00:47:33,859
they're actually complaints about

1101
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:36,140
advertising so right so it's very

1102
00:47:41,170 --> 00:47:39,250
specific the specific therapeutics Goods

1103
00:47:45,009 --> 00:47:41,180
advertising so the kind of products that

1104
00:47:45,759 --> 00:47:45,019
you see in the front of a pharmacy so

1105
00:47:47,890 --> 00:47:45,769
what's gonna

1106
00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:47,900
what's this process now now now that

1107
00:47:51,370 --> 00:47:49,460
change is there no process for

1108
00:47:56,109 --> 00:47:51,380
complaining now or is it double secret

1109
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,119
special stuff the the process is the

1110
00:48:00,999 --> 00:47:58,400
complaints go to the Therapeutic Goods

1111
00:48:02,410 --> 00:48:01,009
Administration directly this power used

1112
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:02,420
to be kind of independent and they were

1113
00:48:07,930 --> 00:48:05,410
just judging the complaint if you like

1114
00:48:10,089 --> 00:48:07,940
it was always the case if real

1115
00:48:13,630 --> 00:48:10,099
enforcement was needed the the issue

1116
00:48:14,769 --> 00:48:13,640
went to the TGA often they didn't deal

1117
00:48:17,650 --> 00:48:14,779
with it and they didn't deal with it

1118
00:48:20,349 --> 00:48:17,660
very well we want to thank the skeptic

1119
00:48:21,819 --> 00:48:20,359
zone IT listeners for jumping into the

1120
00:48:23,410 --> 00:48:21,829
breach there and is there any way

1121
00:48:24,579 --> 00:48:23,420
anywhere we can go online to have a look

1122
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:24,589
at the work that's been done or is that

1123
00:48:29,410 --> 00:48:26,089
stuff you're doing privately it's

1124
00:48:31,319 --> 00:48:29,420
actually still ongoing so still still

1125
00:48:33,370 --> 00:48:31,329
essentially crunching the numbers and

1126
00:48:36,759 --> 00:48:33,380
you know looking at it in different ways

1127
00:48:38,349 --> 00:48:36,769
hope to be published fairly soon and yet

1128
00:48:39,819 --> 00:48:38,359
look I'll pass I'll pass the message on

1129
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,829
when when there is something available

1130
00:48:42,940 --> 00:48:41,599
online that people can can look at great

1131
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:42,950
Thank You Mel if you're ever needing

1132
00:48:45,789 --> 00:48:44,450
your help again come straight to the

1133
00:48:47,259 --> 00:48:45,799
skeptic zone don't talk to me talk to

1134
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:47,269
Richard he's the guy who gets the stuff

1135
00:48:56,029 --> 00:48:54,410
someone who's scouting up the situation

1136
00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:56,039
today is the size

1137
00:48:59,509 --> 00:48:58,200
Evette d'entre mall and and correct

1138
00:49:00,799 --> 00:48:59,519
pronunciation on the side babe but I

1139
00:49:02,359 --> 00:49:00,809
don't think that was our concern and

1140
00:49:03,859 --> 00:49:02,369
thank you for having me here at at

1141
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:03,869
Australian skeptics conference very

1142
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:06,210
exciting I I say our only hope for

1143
00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:09,569
Humanity is we should elect Jeff

1144
00:49:15,620 --> 00:49:12,660
Goldblum be president I think him with

1145
00:49:17,420 --> 00:49:15,630
Nick Cage for his vice-president and

1146
00:49:19,069 --> 00:49:17,430
that I think will save us so I I don't

1147
00:49:21,589 --> 00:49:19,079
know why I have no idea what their

1148
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:21,599
political stances are but I think that

1149
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:23,490
William Shatner be in the cabinet I know

1150
00:49:25,069 --> 00:49:24,720
he's Canadian but where would you put

1151
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:25,079
him

1152
00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:30,450
charge of the FCC because it might take

1153
00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,380
him he will take so long well the more

1154
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:36,480
important the pronunce the pronouncement

1155
00:49:41,749 --> 00:49:38,960
the longer the pause I think we should

1156
00:49:45,319 --> 00:49:41,759
anyone breaks for lunch and that yeah he

1157
00:49:49,460 --> 00:49:45,329
will take so long to tell us his

1158
00:49:52,009 --> 00:49:49,470
pronounced mates like it's I'm just I I

1159
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:52,019
think it charged the FCC he's he's so

1160
00:49:57,319 --> 00:49:54,900
old and cranky and mad at he blocked me

1161
00:49:58,819 --> 00:49:57,329
on Twitter now what did you point out

1162
00:50:02,690 --> 00:49:58,829
something you didn't he would've did one

1163
00:50:04,700 --> 00:50:02,700
point at I think he was he was of all

1164
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:04,710
things he was being kind of cranky at

1165
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:07,650
David Gorski and and III did Gorsky I

1166
00:50:12,259 --> 00:50:10,079
love his work and I was just like I

1167
00:50:16,249 --> 00:50:12,269
think oh yeah he found the page on

1168
00:50:18,890 --> 00:50:16,259
Gorsky from from truth wiki which is

1169
00:50:21,289 --> 00:50:18,900
just a bastion of scum murray and

1170
00:50:23,660 --> 00:50:21,299
horribleness and like i was i was like

1171
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,670
how did you find i'm like yes it's on

1172
00:50:26,569 --> 00:50:25,200
the internet it doesn't mean it's true i

1173
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,579
could put it out there that i forget

1174
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:28,319
exactly what I wrote but like instantly

1175
00:50:31,730 --> 00:50:30,089
banned and like two months later I was

1176
00:50:34,579 --> 00:50:31,740
on the same flight as William Shatner

1177
00:50:35,870 --> 00:50:34,589
and I'm like hi not that not that I

1178
00:50:37,069 --> 00:50:35,880
think William Shatner remembers some

1179
00:50:40,009 --> 00:50:37,079
random idiot that he blocked on the

1180
00:50:42,349 --> 00:50:40,019
internet but I'm like oh nevermind I

1181
00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:42,359
guess I'll never get that autograph now

1182
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:45,240
well he charges for them now - yeah what

1183
00:50:49,490 --> 00:50:48,210
is the side babe got to cover on youtube

1184
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:49,500
and around the place that you haven't

1185
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:50,640
covered oh you're running out of stuff

1186
00:50:54,349 --> 00:50:52,380
there is always gonna be something new

1187
00:50:56,450 --> 00:50:54,359
like like I said there's always you one

1188
00:50:58,849 --> 00:50:56,460
we should be looking out for i well

1189
00:51:00,140 --> 00:50:58,859
let's see right now I mean it's and this

1190
00:51:02,330 --> 00:51:00,150
is kind of unfortunate what's the main

1191
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:02,340
place where I do my deep dives

1192
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:04,530
there we have run out of money and

1193
00:51:09,350 --> 00:51:06,570
normally we all of my work has to go

1194
00:51:11,060 --> 00:51:09,360
through a lawyer and a fact-checker and

1195
00:51:13,100 --> 00:51:11,070
four editors we're really careful so we

1196
00:51:15,050 --> 00:51:13,110
don't get sued and I want to get away

1197
00:51:17,150 --> 00:51:15,060
from some of the stuff that I feel can

1198
00:51:19,730 --> 00:51:17,160
get me sued and that's and I mean it's

1199
00:51:21,830 --> 00:51:19,740
so difficult to bulletproof these

1200
00:51:23,450 --> 00:51:21,840
articles like and that's been one of the

1201
00:51:25,310 --> 00:51:23,460
harder things so I'm trying to move in a

1202
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:25,320
direction where I still feel like I'm

1203
00:51:29,090 --> 00:51:26,640
debunking and still feel like I'm

1204
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:29,100
teaching science without going app

1205
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:31,050
without doing quote takedowns and as

1206
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:32,640
much as those takedowns are so

1207
00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:33,810
satisfying

1208
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,940
they amid the amount of legal cost in

1209
00:51:39,860 --> 00:51:37,680
you to make sure you're gonna be okay at

1210
00:51:41,630 --> 00:51:39,870
the end of it yeah when we have to sit

1211
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,640
down for like each of these articles

1212
00:51:46,250 --> 00:51:44,160
with our you know with with the websites

1213
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:46,260
lawyers for a couple of hours like I

1214
00:51:49,700 --> 00:51:47,730
don't even know how much that cost the

1215
00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:49,710
website to do but you know right now the

1216
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:51,660
website it's a newish website and

1217
00:51:55,730 --> 00:51:53,010
they're going through there they go

1218
00:51:57,380 --> 00:51:55,740
through growing pains so you know I'm

1219
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:57,390
glad that I solve a writing job but it's

1220
00:52:01,040 --> 00:51:59,280
also making me go you know I have to

1221
00:52:03,530 --> 00:52:01,050
reevaluate what I'm doing do I go and

1222
00:52:05,810 --> 00:52:03,540
find new and interesting science do I do

1223
00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:05,820
I look into emerging fields and say what

1224
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:07,800
they're you know where they're at now I

1225
00:52:14,060 --> 00:52:11,130
have at the moment a an offer to do some

1226
00:52:16,430 --> 00:52:14,070
consulting at a cannabis research lab so

1227
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:16,440
I might do like I know I have to look

1228
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:19,410
into what the COI what is on that if

1229
00:52:22,370 --> 00:52:20,970
it's a conflict of interest to tell

1230
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:22,380
people about the science if I'm getting

1231
00:52:26,810 --> 00:52:25,170
paid to research it and I'm trying try

1232
00:52:29,150 --> 00:52:26,820
to be very careful about conflict of

1233
00:52:30,830 --> 00:52:29,160
interest types type stuff fun because if

1234
00:52:32,270 --> 00:52:30,840
you think you would tell people and that

1235
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:32,280
would at least they can then make up

1236
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:33,510
their own mind but then again people

1237
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:35,010
could wipe you out straightaway yeah

1238
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:37,050
there there are people who are you know

1239
00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:38,940
professional like academic researchers

1240
00:52:43,460 --> 00:52:41,400
who go and do sicom about it but it's a

1241
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:43,470
guy if I were to write about that I

1242
00:52:46,580 --> 00:52:44,730
would write about it at my own website

1243
00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:46,590
not in any capacity where somebody else

1244
00:52:51,410 --> 00:52:49,020
pays me to to write so it's like that

1245
00:52:53,060 --> 00:52:51,420
way at least I'm keeping at least I'm

1246
00:52:54,770 --> 00:52:53,070
saying you know if you want to if you

1247
00:52:56,690 --> 00:52:54,780
want to quote pay me by coming and

1248
00:52:58,220 --> 00:52:56,700
looking at my website and me getting

1249
00:53:00,380 --> 00:52:58,230
some ad revenue from it I think that's

1250
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:00,390
an okay place to put that but not and

1251
00:53:05,540 --> 00:53:02,880
you know put as a proviso I work in this

1252
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:05,550
industry so it's you know please check

1253
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:07,530
go ahead check all the links check all

1254
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,050
the things that I've I've added for for

1255
00:53:13,370 --> 00:53:12,240
evidence on this like because I I still

1256
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:13,380
think that it's you know there are so

1257
00:53:16,130 --> 00:53:15,450
many myths in the cannabis field like it

1258
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:16,140
doesn't

1259
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:20,250
medicines like you know it's if and I

1260
00:53:24,020 --> 00:53:21,810
love that there are some really strong

1261
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:24,030
advocates for it but they do no help to

1262
00:53:27,530 --> 00:53:25,890
their case by trying to say that it

1263
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:27,540
cures everything because it does not

1264
00:53:30,980 --> 00:53:29,730
care everything it helps with a handful

1265
00:53:33,650 --> 00:53:30,990
of things and it's really really useful

1266
00:53:36,110 --> 00:53:33,660
for those and there's also no problem

1267
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:36,120
with if adults want to get high like you

1268
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:37,650
want it you want a drink that's not a

1269
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:39,210
problem don't get behind the wheel same

1270
00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:42,210
thing with pot hey and where can we find

1271
00:53:46,430 --> 00:53:44,760
the sabe of doing this stuff it's well

1272
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,440
at my home of the cat on my lap but

1273
00:53:51,530 --> 00:53:48,720
since I can know it since I can't fit

1274
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:51,540
you all in there I'm at facebook.com

1275
00:53:56,900 --> 00:53:54,570
slash SCI babe sigh babe calm and over

1276
00:53:58,760 --> 00:53:56,910
at Twitter and Instagram at DC babe and

1277
00:54:00,650 --> 00:53:58,770
if you want to find my writing I have a

1278
00:54:05,690 --> 00:54:00,660
lot of really fun stuff over at the

1279
00:54:09,319 --> 00:54:08,210
I'm just backstage now it's still the

1280
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:09,329
first day we're just about to go into

1281
00:54:12,289 --> 00:54:10,650
the first lunch break we've got someone

1282
00:54:15,049 --> 00:54:12,299
who's coming up this afternoon with a

1283
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:15,059
talk it's Kirsten banks oh yes we had a

1284
00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:15,839
chat with you last night

1285
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:17,640
hello how late did the drinks go to go I

1286
00:54:21,529 --> 00:54:19,049
believe the drinks decided to get out

1287
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:21,539
here earlier this morning I think well

1288
00:54:28,249 --> 00:54:23,930
personally I didn't get home until one

1289
00:54:33,859 --> 00:54:28,259
kick going on I think we wrapped up

1290
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:33,869
around the astronomy thing astronomer

1291
00:54:36,229 --> 00:54:35,130
thing astronomer thing there and you

1292
00:54:37,849 --> 00:54:36,239
were speaking each other's language to

1293
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:37,859
decide the word bill juice come up in

1294
00:54:40,279 --> 00:54:38,880
the conversation which is one of the

1295
00:54:42,289 --> 00:54:40,289
biggest stars I believe that are around

1296
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:42,299
surprisingly no it did not come up in

1297
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:44,249
conversation but I'll tell you what it

1298
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:47,160
comes up in my talk today relative

1299
00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:49,380
versus all the masses are you not quite

1300
00:54:53,450 --> 00:54:50,700
but you'll see because I was getting

1301
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:53,460
close to it and you're saying you use

1302
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,410
XSP today with dr. Kalfas every once in

1303
00:54:58,700 --> 00:54:56,880
a while dr. Carr will bring a guest with

1304
00:55:00,380 --> 00:54:58,710
him along on his Thursdays that he

1305
00:55:01,970 --> 00:55:00,390
spends talking to the BBC and a whole

1306
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:01,980
bunch of science outlets around the

1307
00:55:05,029 --> 00:55:03,690
world what was your contribution when

1308
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:05,039
you were there with dr. Cal for the day

1309
00:55:11,569 --> 00:55:06,960
when I was there dr. Carr for the day he

1310
00:55:14,809 --> 00:55:11,579
let me join in on his BBC Europe almost

1311
00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:14,819
worldwide extravaganza I was like oh

1312
00:55:19,549 --> 00:55:17,460
okay but luckily he told me after the

1313
00:55:20,809 --> 00:55:19,559
fact when I was joining in talking about

1314
00:55:26,839 --> 00:55:20,819
it saying that you were just live all

1315
00:55:28,700 --> 00:55:26,849
over Europe and you said they had to

1316
00:55:30,109 --> 00:55:28,710
correct him because dr. Califf doesn't

1317
00:55:31,940 --> 00:55:30,119
make too many mistakes but in the area

1318
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:31,950
of astronomy he might have made one well

1319
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:33,839
like he said this morning his physics

1320
00:55:38,809 --> 00:55:36,960
not quite that great but it's a number

1321
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:38,819
the numbers are hard tremor sometimes it

1322
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:40,319
was just the distance from the earth to

1323
00:55:46,819 --> 00:55:43,410
the Sun someone said 140 million it's

1324
00:55:49,220 --> 00:55:46,829
like it's 150 million kilometers I'm

1325
00:55:51,289 --> 00:55:49,230
sorry that would make a lot if you had

1326
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:51,299
to walk it that's a very true yes what

1327
00:55:54,499 --> 00:55:52,650
do you like when calculating orbital

1328
00:55:55,759 --> 00:55:54,509
dynamics is that your kind of range to

1329
00:55:58,279 --> 00:55:55,769
that you do or is that a bit more for

1330
00:56:01,099 --> 00:55:58,289
someone in the mathematical realm well I

1331
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:01,109
like creating computer programs just so

1332
00:56:04,609 --> 00:56:02,609
the day I created a solar system model

1333
00:56:06,769 --> 00:56:04,619
where you can plug in how big you want

1334
00:56:08,359 --> 00:56:06,779
your son to be and it will tell you how

1335
00:56:10,330 --> 00:56:08,369
big all the other planets are and how

1336
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:10,340
far away they are from each other but

1337
00:56:14,740 --> 00:56:12,770
I love the the Oort cloud because that's

1338
00:56:15,970 --> 00:56:14,750
where the aliens first turned up from if

1339
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:15,980
you remember in the independence day

1340
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:17,810
they first saw the spaceship when it

1341
00:56:21,910 --> 00:56:19,370
came out of the Oort cloud which makes

1342
00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:21,920
it sound like it's an actual cloud where

1343
00:56:25,180 --> 00:56:23,750
you could might see it in there it

1344
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:25,190
doesn't it's not hidden by that stuff

1345
00:56:28,570 --> 00:56:26,810
because it's there's big gaps between

1346
00:56:29,620 --> 00:56:28,580
everything isn't it there's a lot of

1347
00:56:32,740 --> 00:56:29,630
space in the space that's why we call it

1348
00:56:35,230 --> 00:56:32,750
space yes the thing that amazed me cus I

1349
00:56:36,970 --> 00:56:35,240
thought okay we've got the Voyager one

1350
00:56:39,250 --> 00:56:36,980
or two just speeding away there I think

1351
00:56:41,350 --> 00:56:39,260
it's only a couple of light hours it's

1352
00:56:44,380 --> 00:56:41,360
not a light day away from Earth is it

1353
00:56:47,470 --> 00:56:44,390
it's pretty far I know it's traveling it

1354
00:56:48,940 --> 00:56:47,480
over 61,000 km/h which is incredible

1355
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:48,950
yeah I can't remember but let's just

1356
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,970
couldn't look it up tell me it's only a

1357
00:56:53,650 --> 00:56:51,200
couple of days and something in light

1358
00:56:54,940 --> 00:56:53,660
travels the ball really and it's in the

1359
00:56:56,170 --> 00:56:54,950
middle of nowhere and I thought well

1360
00:56:57,610 --> 00:56:56,180
haven't you switched it hasn't got a

1361
00:56:58,750 --> 00:56:57,620
readout going so doesn't bump into stuff

1362
00:57:01,600 --> 00:56:58,760
from there when there's nothing above

1363
00:57:04,090 --> 00:57:01,610
until I read it exactly you see those

1364
00:57:06,370 --> 00:57:04,100
sci-fi movies where the protagonist is

1365
00:57:08,170 --> 00:57:06,380
heroically dodging asteroids left right

1366
00:57:10,420 --> 00:57:08,180
and center but really they're not that

1367
00:57:11,290 --> 00:57:10,430
bad it's not that packed now if they

1368
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:11,300
were that packed they'd be

1369
00:57:14,020 --> 00:57:12,770
gravitationally attract to each other

1370
00:57:15,730 --> 00:57:14,030
and they probably would be really close

1371
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:15,740
together if they were that close it'd be

1372
00:57:19,930 --> 00:57:17,930
like a Saturn's ring around the entire

1373
00:57:21,850 --> 00:57:19,940
solar system mm-hmm I've been watching

1374
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:21,860
em space space month on Discovery

1375
00:57:24,580 --> 00:57:23,450
Channel tube and I saw the history the

1376
00:57:26,230 --> 00:57:24,590
Saturn 5 rocket which is kind of

1377
00:57:27,490 --> 00:57:26,240
exciting and it reminded me that it's

1378
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:27,500
more powerful than anything that made

1379
00:57:30,610 --> 00:57:29,210
sense which is a bit disappointing yes

1380
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:30,620
so if we could get somewhere with a big

1381
00:57:33,910 --> 00:57:32,090
rocket that's even more powerful than

1382
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:33,920
Saturn 5 where should we go if we have

1383
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:36,650
that kind of power again I think we

1384
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:39,440
should go everyone says Mars but we've

1385
00:57:42,250 --> 00:57:40,970
already sent things to Mars we're doing

1386
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,260
a lot we've done a lot of exploration

1387
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:44,240
there already I think we should go

1388
00:57:47,020 --> 00:57:45,710
somewhere like one in North Pole of

1389
00:57:48,580 --> 00:57:47,030
Neptune where they got that square

1390
00:57:50,650 --> 00:57:48,590
structure that I think's an alien thing

1391
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:50,660
true I think we should go to one of

1392
00:57:54,370 --> 00:57:53,330
Jupiter's or Saturn's moons the one that

1393
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:54,380
we haven't looked at as much as we

1394
00:57:59,020 --> 00:57:56,570
should I think there's one that's like

1395
00:58:00,790 --> 00:57:59,030
shaped as ravioli which would be making

1396
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:00,800
that obvious I'm not rolling me it's

1397
00:58:06,940 --> 00:58:02,930
legit it's made of ravioli

1398
00:58:10,180 --> 00:58:06,950
oh not made out of huge Italian kitchen

1399
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:10,190
just in Jupiter look like a boat I

1400
00:58:14,530 --> 00:58:12,770
passed it looks very holy well it looks

1401
00:58:17,050 --> 00:58:14,540
like a piece of ravioli like get a

1402
00:58:19,570 --> 00:58:17,060
little like bump in the middle and out a

1403
00:58:20,770 --> 00:58:19,580
little bit yes great now expecting any

1404
00:58:21,819 --> 00:58:20,780
trouble with this skeptical audience

1405
00:58:23,410 --> 00:58:21,829
because as you know this is

1406
00:58:24,759 --> 00:58:23,420
smarty bums out there to think anyone

1407
00:58:28,749 --> 00:58:24,769
during the Q&A at the end might go ah

1408
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:28,759
excuse me I'm not sure we'll see if

1409
00:58:31,479 --> 00:58:30,079
you'll tend to be a little bit more

1410
00:58:33,309 --> 00:58:31,489
reserved when they're asking questions

1411
00:58:34,569 --> 00:58:33,319
about my field because they don't want

1412
00:58:37,029 --> 00:58:34,579
to you know say the wrong thing or

1413
00:58:38,229 --> 00:58:37,039
anything which is perfectly fine like

1414
00:58:39,579 --> 00:58:38,239
you said the wrong things like that's

1415
00:58:42,549 --> 00:58:39,589
what's the whole point we're having a

1416
00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:42,559
conversation to allude the fact that we

1417
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:43,849
get away from saying the wrong thing

1418
00:58:48,609 --> 00:58:46,249
more often so we'll see how it goes

1419
00:58:50,259 --> 00:58:48,619
and just turn astronomer and you have a

1420
00:58:52,059 --> 00:58:50,269
really powerful telescope at home that

1421
00:58:53,559 --> 00:58:52,069
you use were you lucky enough to get one

1422
00:58:54,729 --> 00:58:53,569
as you grew up like a really big one

1423
00:58:57,579 --> 00:58:54,739
with a camera attached what do you got

1424
00:58:59,440 --> 00:58:57,589
at home nothing at the moment but but

1425
00:59:01,180 --> 00:58:59,450
I've gained some money from my 21st

1426
00:59:03,219 --> 00:59:01,190
birthday and I'm just about to buy

1427
00:59:04,690 --> 00:59:03,229
myself my first telescope what are you

1428
00:59:05,859 --> 00:59:04,700
gonna get I mean now what is it within

1429
00:59:07,299 --> 00:59:05,869
the range that you can get because

1430
00:59:09,009 --> 00:59:07,309
there's some powerful stuff and there's

1431
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:09,019
also optical and digital magnification

1432
00:59:11,799 --> 00:59:10,160
which is very different as well yeah

1433
00:59:16,479 --> 00:59:11,809
yeah so what I'm looking at at the

1434
00:59:18,459 --> 00:59:16,489
moment is a celestron Wi-Fi one this is

1435
00:59:19,930 --> 00:59:18,469
about five inches wide so it could be

1436
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:19,940
inside the house on the couch and then

1437
00:59:23,289 --> 00:59:21,410
you could just do it all automatically

1438
00:59:24,699 --> 00:59:23,299
that's cool just do it we get fine it's

1439
00:59:26,289 --> 00:59:24,709
great what do you like looking at the

1440
00:59:27,999 --> 00:59:26,299
most isn't the obvious stuff like Venus

1441
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:28,009
and Jupiter because they're easy and big

1442
00:59:32,589 --> 00:59:29,690
defined or can we actually get great

1443
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:32,599
stuff further away with the Wi-Fi ones

1444
00:59:35,709 --> 00:59:33,920
and ones that you can actually have a

1445
00:59:37,390 --> 00:59:35,719
program inside of you can tell it to go

1446
00:59:40,089 --> 00:59:37,400
wherever you want so you're not you're

1447
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:40,099
not yeah you're visually searching

1448
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:41,690
exactly you're not relying on what you

1449
00:59:45,969 --> 00:59:44,089
can actually physically see okay so yeah

1450
00:59:47,529 --> 00:59:45,979
well and good luck what's up and you

1451
00:59:49,390 --> 00:59:47,539
glad is that your address you were

1452
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:49,400
talking on is that the indigenous print

1453
00:59:53,289 --> 00:59:51,529
dress this is indigenous print dress it

1454
00:59:56,469 --> 00:59:53,299
is I forget it would have been a lot of

1455
00:59:57,759 --> 00:59:56,479
blue used originally in that well I mean

1456
00:59:59,410 --> 00:59:57,769
because I just cuz I didn't have the

1457
01:00:02,199 --> 00:59:59,420
dyes for blue that's all been a hard one

1458
01:00:04,660 --> 01:00:02,209
yeah you usually paint with oka which is

1459
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:04,670
like the the sandstone through paint

1460
01:00:07,809 --> 01:00:06,170
that you would make add some water with

1461
01:00:09,910 --> 01:00:07,819
it so usually you get like the Browns

1462
01:00:11,650 --> 01:00:09,920
and the yellow isn't probably could have

1463
01:00:13,390 --> 01:00:11,660
got a blue with some beetle or something

1464
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:13,400
if you smash something at maybe but yeah

1465
01:00:18,849 --> 01:00:15,529
but it'd be rare rare indeed but this is

1466
01:00:20,709 --> 01:00:18,859
a tree of life dress where it's been

1467
01:00:21,999 --> 01:00:20,719
features the but how does it work so I

1468
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:22,009
was ending life at the top of the ender

1469
01:00:23,739 --> 01:00:22,249
life

1470
01:00:25,959 --> 01:00:23,749
I'm not really sure where exactly it all

1471
01:00:28,989 --> 01:00:25,969
goes but it represents the trees that

1472
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:28,999
were used for sacred burial sites mmm so

1473
01:00:34,060 --> 01:00:30,890
it's a very very sacred very important

1474
01:00:35,380 --> 01:00:34,070
sort of painting for our culture right

1475
01:00:36,910 --> 01:00:35,390
thank you very much and good luck out

1476
01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:36,920
there on the stage this afternoon thank

1477
01:00:43,060 --> 01:00:38,510
you I look forward to pumping up the

1478
01:00:44,290 --> 01:00:43,070
crowd dr. Pamela gay as a 21 year old

1479
01:00:45,730 --> 01:00:44,300
rookie up there on stage how do you

1480
01:00:48,550 --> 01:00:45,740
think Kirsten went to explaining

1481
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:48,560
aboriginal or indigenous astronomy she

1482
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:51,410
has a poise and a well-timed sense of

1483
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:53,570
humor that I couldn't even dream up at

1484
01:00:59,800 --> 01:00:57,050
that age it's amazing 21 I couldn't have

1485
01:01:03,100 --> 01:00:59,810
done that now no I I'm 44 and I hope to

1486
01:01:05,110 --> 01:01:03,110
do that tomorrow it's it's amazing to

1487
01:01:07,930 --> 01:01:05,120
see young communicators coming up and

1488
01:01:11,140 --> 01:01:07,940
finding their their own way to talk

1489
01:01:15,100 --> 01:01:11,150
their own way to be themselves and it in

1490
01:01:17,290 --> 01:01:15,110
embrace who they are and with her she's

1491
01:01:20,020 --> 01:01:17,300
uniquely herself and all of us want to

1492
01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:20,030
listen to that and be part of that she's

1493
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:22,070
an inspiration obviously from a number

1494
01:01:25,300 --> 01:01:23,450
of people that she's seen doing things

1495
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:25,310
yeah maybe a bit of dr. Carla from his

1496
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:28,010
pacing I you know I I'm just gonna go

1497
01:01:31,660 --> 01:01:29,770
with it's her and she's awesome

1498
01:01:33,370 --> 01:01:31,670
do you really I have to look for

1499
01:01:35,110 --> 01:01:33,380
inspiration Kirsten you're awesome

1500
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:35,120
Thanks agreed well hang on did you get

1501
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:36,530
the star on the planet right because I

1502
01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:38,210
was thinking because you do do that

1503
01:01:41,530 --> 01:01:39,710
every day did you get that which was the

1504
01:01:43,180 --> 01:01:41,540
star which was the planet no I got it

1505
01:01:44,530 --> 01:01:43,190
totally wrong but I knew which two they

1506
01:01:45,490 --> 01:01:44,540
were and I'm going to blame the southern

1507
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:45,500
hemisphere for that

1508
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:46,970
oh yeah so now you're here because you

1509
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:48,290
get a different view of this that is

1510
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:49,730
there anything in you love seeing here

1511
01:01:54,100 --> 01:01:50,690
that you can't see in the northern

1512
01:01:55,540 --> 01:01:54,110
hemisphere that our skies have got I so

1513
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:55,550
the large and small Magellanic Clouds

1514
01:01:59,770 --> 01:01:57,680
are always going to be sweet to me the

1515
01:02:02,410 --> 01:01:59,780
thing that really gets me is the

1516
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:02,420
tarantula nebula through it like eight

1517
01:02:06,580 --> 01:02:04,160
inch telescope looks like you're looking

1518
01:02:08,410 --> 01:02:06,590
at the face of a tarantula Wow and and

1519
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:08,420
you just can't see that in the North

1520
01:02:12,100 --> 01:02:10,880
okay that's great yeah it's high up in

1521
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:12,110
the sea it doesn't mean much to me

1522
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:13,370
because I'm not much of an astronomer

1523
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:14,960
right up in the north there doesn't seem

1524
01:02:18,070 --> 01:02:16,310
that much different to me but it is it's

1525
01:02:20,260 --> 01:02:18,080
completely invisible it's completely

1526
01:02:21,820 --> 01:02:20,270
different and I mean one of my favorite

1527
01:02:35,250 --> 01:02:21,830
thing is just seeing Orion turn on his

1528
01:02:35,260 --> 01:02:44,470
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1563
01:04:10,579 --> 01:04:09,030
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01:04:16,490 --> 01:04:14,490
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1568
01:04:23,570 --> 01:04:19,790
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01:05:28,090 --> 01:05:26,530
wow that was such a big episode I'm here

1587
01:05:29,350 --> 01:05:28,100
with Lena out of the cafe Madame frou

1588
01:05:31,180 --> 01:05:29,360
frou just to get over it

1589
01:05:32,860 --> 01:05:31,190
hi that was pretty exciting as you know

1590
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:32,870
I was in an affair bit there boy it was

1591
01:05:36,580 --> 01:05:34,850
hot at two Sheila wasn't it very warm

1592
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:36,590
there that was something quite spooky

1593
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:38,240
about that paranormal convention because

1594
01:05:41,890 --> 01:05:40,400
it was so hot we were melting and it was

1595
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:41,900
great hearing for everybody what they

1596
01:05:45,490 --> 01:05:44,000
believed why they believed and they

1597
01:05:47,590 --> 01:05:45,500
Darius reporting's and things that

1598
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:47,600
seemed I found it fascinating it was it

1599
01:05:50,740 --> 01:05:49,310
was a good day it was a good day folks I

1600
01:05:52,780 --> 01:05:50,750
always recommend you get our paranormal

1601
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:52,790
convention I've got the ten sided die

1602
01:05:58,690 --> 01:05:56,480
here may not okay why don't we give it a

1603
01:06:01,060 --> 01:05:58,700
go so folks at home and driving your car

1604
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:01,070
in commuting and doing the dishes use

1605
01:06:06,190 --> 01:06:02,690
your psychic prediction Maynard's about

1606
01:06:08,050 --> 01:06:06,200
to roll the diet looks like a four for

1607
01:06:09,550 --> 01:06:08,060
folks a big fall big four it's the first

1608
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:09,560
number so I don't know how many people

1609
01:06:14,530 --> 01:06:11,690
got that and the next number is a six a

1610
01:06:16,900 --> 01:06:14,540
big that's 4 and a 6 4 and a 6 now use

1611
01:06:19,180 --> 01:06:16,910
your prediction power one more time may

1612
01:06:20,290 --> 01:06:19,190
not concentrate he's rolling the dice is

1613
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:20,300
going for the supplementary here of

1614
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:21,290
course if you've been betting on the

1615
01:06:27,610 --> 01:06:22,970
Melbourne Cup this week you're probably

1616
01:06:29,350 --> 01:06:27,620
still drunk 2 4 6 & 2 is the lucky

1617
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:29,360
number and I believe we have a winner

1618
01:06:34,300 --> 01:06:32,480
from Westover congratulation our winner

1619
01:06:38,770 --> 01:06:34,310
from West Hobart you mind yourself

1620
01:06:40,750 --> 01:06:38,780
nothing it's the skeptical one more

1621
01:06:42,820 --> 01:06:40,760
descriptive okay I've got the power of

1622
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:42,830
speech that's amazing wood oh I gotta go

1623
01:06:47,110 --> 01:06:45,530
how about that bitchin she must come

1624
01:06:48,700 --> 01:06:47,120
here for the coffee I think I think he's